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Airwaves Portrush 2020 - No show in 2020
« on: December 11, 2019, 07:44:31 PM »
Airwaves Portrush will take place on Saturday 5th & Sunday 6th September 2020. It will be the same weekend as the returning Scottish Airshow and looks to have had a bit of a budget bump. 

https://www.causewaycoastandglens.gov.uk/uploads/general/191217_-_Item_6_Tourism_and_Recreation_Managed_Events_20-21.pdf
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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2019, 07:48:41 PM »
Great News! Hopefully Portrush will be able to share some displays with Ayr next year!

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2019, 08:25:49 PM »
Scotland is (or was) in talks with up to 3 international teams/displays that had never been to Scotland before according to a post a while ago.  Hopefully we get a bit more jets in 2020 now the Swedish are allowed to display again. 

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2019, 01:44:07 AM »
Some interesting news coming out of ICAS. I wonder if this might affect Portrush.

Red Arrows are to apparently undertake a European tour in the 2nd half of the 2020 season. The commentator of Sanicole Airshow  (held the week after Portrush)  talked about it and said the Red Arrows could very likely be there and it was backed up by Red 10 talking about going to Europe in the 2nd half of the season after being primarily in the UK

http://thisisflight.net/2019/12/12/red-arrows-supervisor-teases-some-semblance-of-a-tour-in-2020-during-podcast/

Nothing confirmed, of course. Still just in the talks phase and nothing decided. Only seems to be a show in Germany the weekend of Portrush and a small one at that.
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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2019, 08:52:07 AM »
So it's the Catalina and the Pitts headlining the show.

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2019, 01:38:01 PM »
By the sound of the interview they will be 'in and out' of Europe and not a full on tour as such. I really don't see them missing Scotland/Portrush 2 years in a row.

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2019, 06:18:19 PM »
What is 90 grand likely to obtain aircraft-wise? Does anyone have a ball park figure for how much the likes of the RAF Typhoon costs Portrush?

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2019, 03:01:56 AM »
What is 90 grand likely to obtain aircraft-wise? Does anyone have a ball park figure for how much the likes of the RAF Typhoon costs Portrush?

Taken from a FOI request Ref: 2019/09784 posted on UKAR. This does not include fuel costs/accommodation/landing fees/Support crew transport etc and is just the base cost of the aircraft display.

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Costs to airshows

Typhoon (F) - 2,805 (+423 for insurance)
Typhoon (S) - 2,125
F-35 (S) - 2,215
Hawk (S) - 535 (+410 insurance)
Tucano (F) - 545 (+355 insurance)
Tucano or Texan (S) - 535
Tutor (F) - 545 (+300 for insurance)
Tutor or Prefect (S) - 535
Helicopters (local engagement) (F) - 30
Red Arrows (F) - 11,342 (+2,657 for insurance)
RAF Falcons Parachute Display Team (F) - 3,252 (+314 insurance)
C-130 Hercules (S) - 915 (+355 for insurance)
C-17 (S) - 915
Phenom (S) - 535
Viking (S) - 535
Islander (S) - 535
Sentinel (S) - 915
Shadow (S) - 535
Bae 146 (S) - 1,770 (!)
Juno 135 (S) - 695
Jupiter 145 (S) - 695
Voyager (S) - 1,770 (+500 insurance)
Atlas A400M (S) - 915 (+500 insurance)
BBMF Lancaster - 1,358 (+300 insurance)
BBMF Dakota - 1,038 (+300 insurance)
BBMF Spitfire - 757 (+300 insurance)
BBMF Hurricane - 757 (+300 insurance)
BBMF Lanc, Dak, 1 fighter - 2,948 (+675 for insurance)
BBMF Dak, Spit, Hurri - 2,387 (+675 for insurance)
BBMF Lan, Spit, Hurri - 2,715 (+675 for insurance)
BBMF Dak, Lan, Hurri and Spit - 3,085 (+900 for insurance)

There is also an option to combine insurance costs for static displays:

Up to three aircraft - 218
Per aircraft cost (if more than three on static) - 109

In Newcastle 2015 when the Red Arrows cancelled their display the overall saving for the show was just short of 50k
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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #8 on: January 20, 2020, 03:02:00 PM »
One of Scotland's 3 possible teams has been revealed today. Would be fun to get them over to Portrush via the Scottish Airshow FB.

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2020, 06:48:19 PM »
Ouch, I hope this doesn't affect the show this year

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Causeway Coast and Glens Borough Council have confirmed they are 68.7m in debt.

On Tuesday, the council voted to bring in independent financial advisors.

In a statement, they said this move was to provide "urgent and immediate assistance with the current rate setting process".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-51394538

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2020, 10:34:23 PM »
Looks like the end of the road. Council have withdrawn all 240k funding for the airshow. Just reported on BBC.

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2020, 11:04:41 PM »
I'm assuming that the bulk of the debt came from staging The Open.
I'm also guessing that the money they got from hosting the event didn't meet their expectations?
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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2020, 12:18:12 AM »
I'm assuming that the bulk of the debt came from staging The Open.
I'm also guessing that the money they got from hosting the event didn't meet their expectations?

From what I am hearing from a few people is the golf only put a 3m debt on the council. Where the other 65m from is anyones guess.

The savings expected from tourism events cuts was projected to be 260k looks like 240k of that is for the airshow and only 20k from rest of events. Item number 34 on the proposals page 5 .

https://www.causewaycoastandglens.gov.uk/uploads/general/200212_SCM_Item_4_Savings_for_Inclusion_in_rates_Estimates_V2_REDACTED.pdf?fbclid=IwAR2rpoR3g2KxsaXfFb_VSikQ5W-iHsuWLBO7GbeqM9a4vEGX4pjV2WKNVlI
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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2020, 10:05:30 AM »
The Portrush airshow has been cancelled for this year due to lack of funding.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-51487911
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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2020, 11:08:43 AM »
Isnt our country great, give locals the reigns and we ruin it, just fantastic, get the filghts booked to get the fu#k out of here lmao😂

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2020, 11:32:34 AM »
I heard from a council employee a few weeks back that the situation was bad but airshow would go ahead.
This is disappointing news.

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2020, 03:01:47 PM »
Isnt our country great, give locals the reigns and we ruin it, just fantastic, get the filghts booked to get the fu#k out of here lmao😂

I had thought of going to Scotland, but apparently it's up in the air too.

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2020, 04:52:12 PM »
It was no RIAT but at least it was something and better than nothing, very sad news!

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2020, 07:04:41 PM »
This debt is despite a 26.21m boost for Causeway Coast and Glens Borough Council from hosting the open Golf tournament and over 100m for the area in total.  ???

https://www.itv.com/news/utv/2019-12-10/open-championships-delivers-more-than-100m-to-northern-ireland/

What the frack have they been doing with the money to screw up so damn bad. The rate payers of Causeway coast and Glens will be looking for blood. Especially with a rates increase expected to be up to 10%

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https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2020/02/06/news/causeway-council-to-undergo-forensic-audit-after-financial-problems-1835022/

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - 5th & 6th September 2020
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2020, 09:00:29 PM »
There always seemed to be conflicting reports about how much the staging of the Open actually benefited Portrush Town. There was quit a bit of grumbling from local traders saying that visitors did not actually come into the town that much.Everything was self contained around the venue, and those who actually ventured into Portrush were in the minority.

I had a few friends that were lucky enough to have tickets, and they said the bad weather didn`t help the situation, as overseas visitors did not want to get soaked by going into the town.
I suppose it`s a difficult thing to gauge, and opinions are bound to vary, the show may return at some point, and perhaps this break will be a good thing.
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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - No show in 2020
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2020, 09:58:02 AM »
A lot of misunderstanding here and elsewhere:
The cancellation of the show and Council's debt (comparable with most other Councils) has nothing to do with The Open.
So many people on social media have jumped to the assumption that Council was set to be delivered with a big fat cheque for 20m, 40m or 100m for "hosting" The Open!!! That's not how it works I'm afraid. These are estimates of spend (and future income through raised awareness) for hotels, pubs, restaurants, taxis, hairdressers, laundrettes, supermarkets and particularly Air B and B clients! Council was never to receive any kind of income from The Open. The event is hosted by RPGC and council played a part in animating "outside the ropes". Its spend was 300k max on staff, public entertainment, marketing, etc. (Not 3m as stated here). Plus anyone who was in Portrush after 6pm when play finished on any of the 8 days will tell you the chat of a "ghost town" was utter rubbish. Retailers were told at 3 public meetings to alter their business hours to benefit. (Quiet in the day busy in the evenings). Those who got on board benefited. Those who didn't got straight on to Freakbook.
The fact is the air show was the goose with the longest neck and was always going to be the first chop despite it's 6 times economic benefit multiplier.


The problem is there are elected members from "legacy councils" who see Portrush getting too much despite CCGBC being one corporation...apparently.


So don't blame The Open and just hope they get their act together for 2021

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - No show in 2020
« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2020, 11:36:44 AM »
Council's twitter feed for the show has this morning confirmed its cancellation. No mention of 2021.....
In fact seems quite final. "left you with many fond and happy memories"  :-\

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Re: Airwaves Portrush 2020 - No show in 2020
« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2020, 07:12:18 PM »
Sounds like a thank you and goodbye :(

And TTF is right, looking into things. The majority of the spend in the lead up to the Open was funded from the Stormont departments budget in the Department of Communities, and not the council themselves.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-48759556
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