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Aviation Events => UK - Ireland Airshows and Events => Topic started by: casper on February 12, 2010, 12:02:29 PM
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Just got word that the show has been cancelled by the Borough Council.
http://www.niinternationalairshow.co.uk/ (http://www.niinternationalairshow.co.uk/)
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What this is a shock what is the reason.
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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In a word 'MONEY'
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I thought they had the money available. This does not bode well for fututre airshows. Really sad news just can't believe that after all that was said it has now been cancelled.
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This has to be a mistake (someone screwing around with the website perhaps).
The airshow brings in thousands of pounds for the local economy. What possible reason could CBC give to justify cancelling it?
Regarding cash being a possible motivator, they were doing collections for the airshow at last year's event, where did all that money go?
The only plausible reason I can see as to why they would cancel it would be if no aircraft were coming. Anything else would be rubbish.
T.T.F. will clear this up one way or another so let's hold off on the lynch mob for now :)
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Devastating news. The Airshow will be missed by many this year.
Although I always wondered how they were able to put on a good show each year. When the airshow was held at Eglington or Newtownards, the tickets were £5 to £10 so they always made a good amount from those who attened. At Portrush, the only money made was from the sales of programmes and perhaps from some of the stalls and donations from the public.
Maybe they are reverting to a once every two year schedule?
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T.T.F. will clear this up one way or another so let's hold off on the lynch mob for now
True, but I don't think TTF can say what he really wants to say on a public forum.
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Absolutley terrible news if it turns out to be correct :o
As mentioned earlier the show brings in thousands of people to the town and surrounding area so it doesn`t make a lot of sense to scrub it. >:( :( >:(
With no sign of a show at Newtownards/Enniskillen this year either we are going to have a very depressing summer :'(
Don`t know what others think but the cost of going to shows in the rest of UK is getting rididculous,by the time you add in ferry/flights accomidation etc it becomes very pricey. :( :-X >:(
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Just rang Coleraine Council and they confirmed show is cancelled;mainly due to lack of sponsorship and problems with the MOD.
Feck! Feck! and Double Feck!
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and problems with the MOD
If that's what they're saying and from what I've heard that's not true.
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It is a very sad situation the M.O.D. have always said they would make cut-backs but to make them so that a show can't be put on in too much. As for sponsership the credit crunch must still be affecting the people who normally add to the money fund it is a great loss of finance to C.B.C. the big question is was 2009 the last ever airshow in portrush?.
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Just off the phone to a freind and i have to agree with casper there must be another issue and not with M.O.D.
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Just to clarify- The Airshow was not cancelled because of a problem with the MOD.
The biggest problem was lack of funding from the normal sponsers,the person I spoke to at the council said there had been some problems with the MOD as well,but didn`t tell me what she meant by that.
She also gave me the impression that the show may well not return,but she did sound genuinely sorry :P that the show had been cancelled as she said it was the second biggest draw to the town after the NW 200.
I can only assume that the MOD may not have been able to say for sure what would be available.
With the 70th Anniversary of the Battle Of Britain being this year I was really looking forward to the show.
It`s very upsetting news and hopefully airshows will make a return to Northern Ireland soon.I know we sometomes grumble a bit about the shows we have had here in the past,but facing the prospect of not having any air displays in NI is gutt wrenching.
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Listening to the local radio on the way through Coleraine today the Council took the option to pull the money to avoid rates increases, lifeguards are being pulled from the local beaches as well.
Paul
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Very disappointing, though not very suprising, it is a massive expense and i felt last year that going round with buckets to collect money seemed to indicate that not all was well. Without Newtonards making a return, looks grim for avaition enthusasts in n.i !
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OK.. So disappointments all aside..
What are the chances of us setting up a committee double time, getting TTF on board with all his contacts, maybe campaign to the old team at Newtownards and seeing if we could organise something ourselves??
I appreciate funding will still be the biggest issue, but "what if" if all did manage to put our heads together and see if we could come up with someone willing to sponsor the idea..
Hey.. let's be realistic.. There's enough people go along every year and enjoy the day out.
Even if it took us to put a spokesman onto an article on BBC and UTV during the six o'clock evening news pleading for a sponsor.. Could it be done by September??? There's bound to be someone out there with enough of an interest in aviation that actually has enough cash to spare and wants some PR in return..
Maybe somebody could give us a rough idea, what level of money the sponsors have typically been putting into the pot..
I never complained about paying a £5 or £10 entrance fee to any show, neither did plenty of others..
Ideas on a post card to ... HELP US GET AN NI AIRSHOW BACK ON THE CALENDAR ...
If this was actually feasible.. time is of the essence!!
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Im very dissapointed to hear the show has been cancelled... but in these times of financial cutbacks im afraid im not really supprised.... as for organising a airshow from scratch i believe it would take at least 12 months to get everything in place ... insurance would be a big hassle and also most of the acts for 2010 have already been asked by lots of shows for attendance and if you sent a request now it would end up at the bottom of a very big pile of paper...
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OK Hammerhead..
Don't disagree with what would be involved..
Not wanting to admit defeat completely.. If there was any evidence to suggest that CBC were cancelling for good, I'd love to still take the idea forwards for 2011.. If nothing else, the idea of someone else making a success of the idea, might shock them back into life..
I know a couple of guys with fairly significant cash behind them that have an aviation interest..
Just need somebody to give me an idea of costs involved and what we'd be askign them to contribute directly to..
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Have to admire your pluck Claymore,trying to organise an airshow would be a hugely difficult task-especially in the current economic climate.
It would be fantastic if some sort of show could be put together but realistically you would probably have to aim for next year.
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There seems to more to this than was first reported according to the local radio they had no other reasons for pulling the airshow it was because of a rates increase they decided to pull any funds that had not be used as a back-up towards this issue also the milk cup and NW200 will be effected this is due to the council funding issue. I only found out lately that they started to charge £5 for up-lifts like old sofa's and rubbish that can't go in the bins. The NW200 will not have as many cleaners as before (wombles) as for the milk cup council grounds will not be supervised when used no council cleaners will be used untill next day.
Billy Leanord was not impressed with the pulling of the airshow as it will in the result of a loss of £5million in revenue over that period 4&5 sept shops in the towns are also very angry with the decission as sponarship was not an issue.
Very wierd situation who do we listen too for the truth.
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Save the Portrush Airshow group
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=304396872383 (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=304396872383)
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The decision to cancel the airshow was taken by Coleraine Borough Council alone - not "problems with MoD" or changes in DCAL funding as quoted by some sources. MoD were supplying even more assets than last year and the year 3 drop off in DCAL funding is built in to their funding agreements. CBC is in alot of debt (read the local papers) and axing the airshow is one of many measures to keep the rate increase as low as possible. As for cutting out one of the major tourist events in an area with next to no manufacturing and little else going for it except tourism.......make your own mind up.
Heard a rumour that the Reds will be in Newcastle, Co. Down in August. Anybody heard anything?
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Thanks for clearing that up TTF. I hope my earlier post didn`t confuse people;the lady I spoke to at the Council told me that the Council had decided to pull the show purely because of lack of funding.
This was decided at a meeting the previous evening.She also told me there had been some other issues raised,lack of sponsorship,Crowd Control,Job Security for council workers and she also mentioned "problems with the MOD",however she did say the MOD had promised a substanital list of display aircraft.
I took "problem" to mean something fairly trivial like security around the side or maybe the display line-I remember it being mentioned last year that there was some problems with the display line markers drifting due to the strong winds.
Everbody on this site is disappointed as I am sure your team are,and hopefully the Portrush Airshow will make a return very soon.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8517556.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8517556.stm)
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8517556.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8517556.stm)
"the decision was likely to affect visitor numbers" - that's an understatement ::)
"I think it will come again and it could be bigger and better than ever" - doesn't that translate as 'more expensive'?
If they couldn't afford this one how will they afford the next one?
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All the more time for them to get saving :L
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I was thinking about how we as a group could raise extra money for the airshow if indeed it will be on next year.Just to make it a bit easier for them to get extra fund without asking sponsors for a bit more.
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contains some interesting footage from about 5 years ago...
http://www.u.tv/News/Portrush-air-show-cancelled-over-funds/ac1c444a-7d15-4ebc-9633-abfa0b36e25c (http://www.u.tv/News/Portrush-air-show-cancelled-over-funds/ac1c444a-7d15-4ebc-9633-abfa0b36e25c)
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Some interesting footage indeed. The Corsair must have been from one of the earlest shows.
As far as money for the show is concerned would it not be possible to charge to see the show? I always park in the East Strand carpark and it would be so easy to charge a set fee going into the carpark. As others have said anyone with an interest in it will happily pay £10 or more to see it.
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Problem is that it's an urban setting not an enclosed airstrip - parking is free in Portrush all year round and people will always try to park for free. There was a paying car park set up 5mins walk from the venue and got ONE vehicle over the 2 days! People were happy to walk up to a mile to avoid paying £5 for the whole family.
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Disscussion about the Airshow on Radio Ulster this afternoon-might be worth a listen.
I don`t recall a Corsair at Portrush and I have been to every show they have had ??? .
Can`t view the footage on this PC,but maybe it was from Newtownards? They had Corsair before.
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Disscussion about the Airshow on Radio Ulster this afternoon-might be worth a listen.
Do you know what time?
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It's on now on Talkback.
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Just checked my old programs from 2004 till 2006 and there is no corsair in these program lists.
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There never was one in Portrush - I think it must be stock footage.
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So the programmes sold well last year but very little money from them went towards the show itself. Were we not being asked to buy one to contribute to this years show?
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I think the programmes are made for the brittish legion and they give only a small percentage towards the airshow they get the rest for the poppy appeal. I do think that the council have had plenty of time to figure out how they could raise extra cash for the airshow.
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Re. programmes - Didn't quite hear that bit - somebody came into the room. Programmes were £5 and the sellers got 75p per copy. That covers collection, distribution and selling by a team of about 90 people. The organisers just don't have a team that size to do programme sales.
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it was Mr Brownhutt that said the programmes are for the brittish legion.
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As been mentioned I would happily pay £10-£15 to see the show,but the Town setting would make it very difficult to collect an admission fee.
I would estimate that only 10-15% of the crowd actually have any interest in aviation,the rest to just come along because the show is free;and most just come to see the Red Arrows.
We have all witnessed the mass hurried evacuation after the Arrows have displayed ::)
Geoff Brownhutt didn`t seem too impressed when asked why the programmes are given away free-they are £5.00 each and most of the money goes to the British Legion.
It didn`t sound like Mr Brownhutt held out much hope for a show next year,and I`m think he may well be correct.
Once a an airshow gets "dropped",they very rarely reappear,and with the current economic climate I doubt Portrush will be the only airshow casualty. :'(
The supposed contribution of £70-80,000 put up by the Council does`t sound that much considering the economic benefit it brings to the area.
I think the whole cancellation thing stinks-I really feel the Council should/could have done more to ensure the show went ahead even if it was just a smaller event this year.
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I have heard today that they may start to charge for the NW200 not sure if it is for parking or an entry fee i heard this from a local counilor.
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Council does not run the NW200 - it is run by Coleraine and District Motor Club who would make any decisions like that.
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Shame the show couldnt be ran for just one day, would surely still bring in the crowds over the weekend, if the stalls and static was set up on sat with the show on Sunday.
One thing that did annoy me during the itnerviews was the chamber of commerence etc saying how much it would hurt the local businesses, yet they arnt willing to donate money towards funding ? You cant expect council to pay for absolutely everything, the people making the most noise about what a blow this is are the same ones who would run a mile if asked to fund it !
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I don't think they could increase their sponsor money by the amount they needed to help this year. one store in particular had said they would consider the proposal but just counldn't justify such an icrease in sponsor money. E.G morrellis.
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I have spoken to a number of business owners in Portrush & Coleraine whom have sponsored the show last year, the council have not even asked them if they would contribute this year
All of them said that they would happly sponsor and increase their contribution to save the show.
This decision was taken behind closed doors without any consultation with the local Chamber of commerce or these previous sponsors.
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:Welcome: Hi Dave and welcome to the forum :)
I think we may never hear the 'real' reason for the cancellation, all we can do is hope that the show returns next year.
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I have heard today that they may start to charge for the NW200 not sure if it is for parking or an entry fee i heard this from a local counilor.
AFAIK any charge would have to be for either parking, entry to paddock or for program (all of which they, the Coleraine & District club, already do), as to charge for entry to public road events requires a special dispensation/order from the government, and I think only the Ulster Grand Prix at the Dundrod circuit can do this at present.
I could be wrong on this but I think that is the case, so the same may apply to public space used for spectating at the air show.
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Thanks, I just been made aware of the forum.
There is a considerable groundswell of opposition to this decision and how it was decided.
We have been in touch with local Councilors and MLA's in an effort to have it overturned.
Any help, suggestions or advice would be welcome
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The MLA's could forego their pay-rise this year. :angel:
That'll more than cover CBC's contribution. In fact it would probably pay for a 'bigger and better' airshow.
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Another campaign group :)
BRING-BACK-THE-PORTRUSH-AIRSHOW-2010 (http://www.facebook.com/pages/BRING-BACK-THE-PORTRUSH-AIRSHOW-2010/306558334932?ref=nf)
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I have spoken to a number of business owners in Portrush & Coleraine whom have sponsored the show last year, the council have not even asked them if they would contribute this year
All of them said that they would happly sponsor and increase their contribution to save the show.
This decision was taken behind closed doors without any consultation with the local Chamber of commerce or these previous sponsors.
I think that is what we had all suspected-I think there is more to the cancellation than we are being told by the council.
The fact that the chamber of commerce are shocked and angry that they werent consulted would seem to contridict the council saying sponsership from local business wasnt forthcoming.
I think it will soon become obvious that the council have scored a massive own goal.
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Moves to attempt to rescue the show under way.
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Moves to attempt to rescue the show under way.
By who Dave ?
Cheers
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Maybe puplic funding it will be great if they did rescue the airshow.
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Local Chamber of Commerce and some other business interests, keep your fingers crossed
Any assistance or advice welcome, they need as much support & sponsorship that they can muster
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Was talking to a mate of mine who is doing media studies at uni, He mentioned that he hasn't seen any DVD sales regarding the airshow except my attemppts. So if the airshow needed more money why don't they get a uni group to make a dvd for free as part of the course and then sell them for £10 say and see how it goes.
Not my idea just my freind was looking at it. Might be worth a look into.
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Thanks String
Good idea, I will pass it on
I think that there was a dvd made last year, though I'm not sure what happened to it, there was certainly plenty of footage shot. needs some investigation
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I remember a company called PlanesTV advertising some footage of the Portrush show on one of there UK Airshow compilation DVD`s.
I havent seen it but I have seen some of there other productions and they are excellent.
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Thanks for jogging my memory, Planes TV was one of the crews that did film last years show.
Anybody else that has broadcast quality footage of any past Portrush shows that could be accessed?
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There are a lot of airshow stuff on you tube I have some on it as well as other peoples vids from PORTRUSH.
This is the merlin helicopter from 2008 vid
MERLIN helicopter movie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3915pTrnoWg#)
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And the AIRBUS A380 from 2009
A380 fly past (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_11uapXgfkk#)
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Just had a listen to the show on Talkback , going by that Ashley Moore dosn`t seem too disapointed if the show isn`t on and i reckon the same as Geoff if it dosn`t happen this year i can`t see it happening in 2011.
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Just had a listen to the show on Talkback , going by that Ashley Moore dosn`t seem too disapointed if the show isn`t on and i reckon the same as Geoff if it dosn`t happen this year i can`t see it happening in 2011.
I'd have to agree with that, if the airshow doesn't occur in 2010, then I doubt it'll take place again. :(
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Ashley Moore is in the minority, a substantial number of local business's sponsors are backing efforts to rescue the show for 2010, they would share your concerns that no show in 2010, no show ever again !
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I thought it strange that the BBC managed to find the only local buisness person who didnt seem bothered that the show had been cancelled;you would almost think he was put forward by th CBC to strengthen their arguement for cancelling.
What sort of Council cancels an event that brings so many people into the area and provides a huge economic boost to local buisness at the end of the summer season.?
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Just thought about this are you sure it was ashley moore that was interviewed not neville as ashley has nothing to do with moores anymore it is all nevilles his sister isn't involved either. Ashley make millions from property development and has never been involved in anything regarding moores so it is very strange indeed why the BBC would interview someone who is on the outside of moores.
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Just confirmed with wife both GLENDA and ASHLEY have no say in moores anymore. It is all NEVILES.
she worked in the restaurant in moores coleraine untill i got ill.
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The Talkback programme is on BBC iPlayer for those who missed it-on for another 48hrs.
The programme you want is the one broadcast on 17th Feb
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007cpt4 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007cpt4)
Airshow discussion is approx 25-30 mins from the start.
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Coleraine Council have agreed to reinstate the airshow if private sector support is available
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Since support had already been available (according to various reports) can we assume their statement implies 'more' private sector support, presumably to allow a reduced contribution from CBC.
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Hi On Radio Ulster this morning the Local Traders rep being interviewed indicated they are certainly prepared to put up some sponsorship and asked the Local Councillor being interviewd for a figure that might be required. £150,000 was mentioned but he did qualify he was not an expert on the financing of the event. He indicated the funding would be needed to buy items to display and that CBC would not want to put on a second rate show.
the Councillor stated, and it has already been reported on here, that the MOD was the issue they were not able to supply items.
Hopefully the show can be saved and it will have the sort of aircraft participating that we all enjoy.
John
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I hope that all the people who want an airshow in portrush will help fund it. i for one would hate to see such a great event dissappear from the callender. it is the only thing that get's me really excited and i love the event. And the REDs are an unbelievable their display is spectacular.
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Again there seems to be confusion over what is happening with the airshow-it featured again on Talkback today-check BBC iPlayer approx 60mins into the programme.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007cpt4 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b007cpt4)
It seems that the Local Chamber Of Commerce are going to up the money to fund the show.
They have been told they have until Friday to book the Red Arrows and the MOD are prepared to offer other aircraft contary to what other Council spokes persons have said.
It sounds to me as if there is some sort of political motive for canceling the show-I hope that is not the case;we wouldnt want the Portrush Airshow to become dogged with anti-war protestors the way Salthill`s Airshow has been.
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The Coleraine Borough Chamber has underwritten the show to the amount required by the officers of the Council and the Reds are confirmed.
I not sure what 'political' reasons that Councillor Deans (DUP), whom was interviewed has.
Maybe we should all e-mail or text him and ask 07740585646 e-mail: timothy.deans@colerainebc.gov.uk
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The Coleraine Borough Chamber has underwritten the show to the amount required by the officers of the Council and the Reds are confirmed.
I not sure what 'political' reasons that Councillor Deans (DUP), whom was interviewed has.
Maybe we should all e-mail or text him and ask 07740585646 e-mail: timothy.deans@colerainebc.gov.uk
I also heard the aforementioned politican on the radio this morning, giving a somewhat irrational rationale for the cancellation! This councillor also quite clearly stated that there was a lack of MOD aircraft available - which is contrary what 'Tango Tango Fanta' told us earlier this month! Somebody's lieing, and I've a funny feeling it might be the politician!
It does seem like there are certain people who do not want this event to take place. I wonder why?
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Thsi is a strange matter, I spoke to my local councilor yesterday evening and i asked him what the reason was behind the decission and he told me that they had a meeting behind closed doors didn't inform the chamber of comerce or the sponsors. he was not privvy to the outcome but he suggested that it was more political than finacial as for the M.O.D he said they have gone out of their way to put forward as much as they can. So who would benefit from this decission to cancel?
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I have also been advised that this will be on the agenda for next weeks council meeting.
We should all go along at 7.30 into the public gallery to see who says what and to show our support for reinstatement of the airshow, the meeting is at 7.30pm on Tuesday
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I was speaking to a local trader who has a buisness in portrush he can't wait to find out who made the decission to cancel why they did it and who did it benefit. he will be at that meeting and he said if the airshow dosn't go ahead it will cost him around £100.000 with the credit crunch still affecting the area the airshow would actually help traders in portrush.
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Write up Page 3 of the News Letter says 'it is almost a certain go a-head.'
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String I hope that he has contributed to the fund to rescue the show!
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He told me he has put money up and has done since it started.
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Councillors in Coleraine have voted to hold the International Air Show after local businesses agreed to finance it.
Last month, the council said it was cancelling this year's show because it did not have the £70,000 to £80,000 it normally contributes.
However, the borough's chamber of commerce has agreed to cover the cost.
Lord Mayor Sandy Gilkinson said he was delighted to confirm that the event would take place at West Bay in Portrush in September. He added: "On behalf of Coleraine Borough Council, I wish to thank the local business community and the chamber for coming together to save this spectacular event.
"It shows tremendous spirit in a difficult economic period."