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« on: February 19, 2017, 07:17:05 PM »
This is pretty far south!

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Re: 360radar
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2017, 07:31:41 PM »
Probably via VHFDL over Inmarsat.  The downlink is spread-beam so fairly easy to intercept.

There are parts of a two-metre dish in smudge's garage for an eventual project...

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Re: 360radar
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2017, 08:36:36 PM »
You've just blown my tiny mind Smudge! I like to see where military planes are especially if it looks like they are heading our way, 360radar is brilliant for this but I've no idea how they do it (couldn't comprehend it if you told me anyway). If your big dish will help us subscribers Smudge get it out and uploading!

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Re: 360radar
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2017, 09:11:23 PM »
ADS-C is an over-the-horizon complement to ADS-B using satellite relay.

http://www.inmarsat.com/blog/ADS-C-another-step-forward

The uplink is a narrow directed beam* from the aircraft to the satellite since the aircraft knows where the satellite is.  This is the most power-efficient form of transmission..

But for the next step, the downlink relay, most commercial satellites don't used a directed beam despite the pretty diagrams showing a signal directed towards a ground station.  They don't discriminate as to the type and destination of the transmission,  they assume that all the receivers in their coverage area want to receive everything**.  So they  basically act as big convex radio-mirrors which spread the downlink signal over the chunk of Earth which they cover. 

If you're anywhere in the coverage zone you can receive and decode*** the transmission regardless of the location of the aeroplane.



* In olden days it used to be a big parabolic dish steered by actuators, hence the huge bump on some Sheikh's 747SP.  Nowadays it's a phased-array antenna that steers elecronically, hence the pert little bump on the back of airliners.

** Sometimes they're divided into spot-beams, and can relay specific transmissions through specific spots.  I don't know if that's used for ADS-C.

*** Assuming presence of suitable hardware and software etc.
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Re: 360radar
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2017, 09:19:58 PM »
Cheers Smudge, amazing technology.

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Re: 360radar
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2017, 10:24:25 PM »
Have you gathered the other bits and pieces in addition to the 2m dish?
There was a suggestion on here last year that you could do this with jaero and an rtl dongle.
I reckoned that an airspy is needed

Has anyone on this forum done this?
Has anyone got an airspy?

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Re: 360radar
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2017, 10:30:29 AM »
I have a Funcube Pro dongle for the project, at least for the initial experimentation.  Yes I know, try not to laugh at the name!

Just need some 'spare time', have checked on eBay but none available at the moment.